Model Guide: Idéale Saddles and Clips

Model No. Earliest References Range Size Weight Notes
2 1970s Comfort 9.8″ x 6″   “Mixte Maxi-Mousse,” leather top, latex foam padding, two rear coil springs
3 1970s Comfort 9.8″ x 6″   “Mixte Maxi-Mousse,” Skai/mattress top, latex foam padding, two rear coil springs
4 1970s Comfort 9.75″ x 7.5″ 1lb. 9ozs. Men’s model, similar to Norex, leather top, zinc plated or silver enamel springs, two rear loop springs
5 1963 Standard Sports 11.125″ x 6.375″ 1lb. 7ozs. “Club 5,” saddle bag loops
6 1970s Comfort 9″ x 7.5″ 1lb. 9ozs. Women’s model, similar to Norex, leather top, zinc plated or silver enamel springs, two rear loop springs
14 1970s Comfort 9.75″ x 9″ 2lbs. “TB 14,” women’s model, English saddle leather, latex foam padding
22 1963, 1970s Comfort 9″ x 9″ 1lb. 10ozs. Supple saddle, male or female, grey sides with maroon or blue top, luminescent back (AR)
27 1963 Junior Boys 9.5″ x 5″ 1lbs. 3ozs. Leather, racing model
28 1931, 1963 Junior Boys 8.25 x 6.75″   Mixte model, leather, two wire frame, two rear loop springs
29 1963 Junior Girls     Leather, two wire frame
30 1963 Junior Boys 8.75″ x 7″ 1lb. 1.5ozs. Leather, four wire frame
31 1963 Junior Girls     Leather, four wire frame
32 1941 Standard Sports 9.5″ x 7.5″   Mixte model, leather, two wire frame, four rear loop springs, saddle bag loops
38 1963 Standard Sports 10.5″ x 6″ 1lb. 6.5ozs. “Course 38,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides
39 1970, 1970s Standard Sports 10″ x 5.5″ 1lb. 4.5ozs. Cutaway nose, perforated sides, two wire frame, No. 2 clip
41 1963 Standard Sports 11.25″ x 6.5″ 1lb. 7ozs. “Sport 41,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides
42 1963, 1970, 1970s Standard Sports 11″ x 6″ 1lb. 7.5ozs. “Record 42,” saddle bag loops
43   Record     Removable wire spring, saddle bag loops, perforated sides
44 1963 Standard Sports 11.25″ x 6.5″ 1lb. 7ozs. “Course 44,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides
45   Special Competition      
46 1963 Standard Sports 10.875″ x 5.625″ 1lb. 10.5ozs. “Special 46,” removable wire spring, saddle bag loops, perforated sides
48 1955 Professional 10.75″ x 6″ 1lb. 9ozs. Hollow center, four copper nose rivets, large curved back, Duralumin frame
49          
51 1955, 1963 Record 10″ x 6″ 1lb. 10.5ozs. Cyclocross nose, removable wire spring, reinforced clip, copper rivets, reinforced frame
51 1955, 1963 Professional 10″ x 6″ 1lb. 12ozs. Same as No. 51 Record, treated and waterproofed leather
52 1963 Record 11.25″ x 6″ 1lb. 9.25ozs. Copper rivets, removable wire spring, reinforced frame, reinforced clip
52 1963 Professional 11.25″ x 6″ 1lb. 12ozs. Same as No. 52 Record, treated and waterproofed leather
53          
54          
57   Record     Duralumin frame
57   Professional     Duralumin frame
58 1955 Record 10″ x 6″ 1lb. 5ozs. Duralumin frame, cyclocross nose, reinforced clip, copper rivets
58 1955 Professional 10″ x 6″ 1lb. 5ozs. Same as No. 58 Record, treated and waterproofed leather
59 1955, 1963 Record 11.25″ x 6.25″ 1lb. 5.5ozs. Racing model, copper rivets, standard nose, Duralumin frame, perforated sides
59 1955, 1963 Professional 11.25″ x 6.25″ 1lb. 6.25ozs. Same as No. 59 Record, treated and waterproofed leather
60          
63          
64   Record     “Hawk nose,” relieved top
65   Record     “Hawk nose,” Duralumin frame, relieved top
70          
75 1963 Standard Sports 10″ x 6.25″ 1lb. 8ozs. “Special 75,” saddle bag loops
76 1955 Cyclo Tourist 10″ x 6″ 2lbs. 5ozs. Touring model, natural leather, cyclocross nose, reinforced clip, two rear coil springs
77 1963 Cyclo Tourist 10″ x 6″ 2lbs. 5ozs. Cyclocross/hawk nose, natural leather, reinforced clip, two rear coil springs
80 1970, 1970s, 1979, 1981 Record 10.25″ x 5.75″ 1lb. 8ozs. “Saddle back” shape with campbered back plate and cutaway leather, extra quality top, two wire frame, No. 2 clip
80 1970, 1970s, 1979, 1981 Speciale 10.25″ x 5.75″ 1lb. 8ozs. Same as No. 80 Record, treated and waterproofed leather
80 1970 Criterium 10.25″ x 5.25″ 1lb. 7ozs. Same as No. 80 Speciale, short nose, copper rivets, cutaway “swallow” sides
88 1963, 1970s, 1981 Special Competition 10.5″ x 6″   Removable wire spring, copper rivets on cantle plate, non-slip (SC) or Nitor/Campagnolo (C) clip
89 1963 Special Competition 10.5″ x 6″   Same as No. 88, cutaway “swallow” sides
90A 1970, 1981 Special Competition 10.5″ x 5.75″ 1lb. 9ozs. Extra supple, waterproofed, oak bark tanned, copper rivets, two wire frame, No. 2 clip, “A” model
90CR 1970, 1981 Special Competition 10.5″ x 5.75″ 1lb. 9ozs. Same as No. 90A, Rebour treated, “CR” Rodee Main model,
90IR 1970, 1970s, 1981 Special Competition 10.5″ x 5.75″ 1lb. 1.5ozs. Same as No. 90CR, Duralumin frame
92 1970s, 1981   10.6″ x 6.7″/9″ x 6.7″ 1lb. 7ozs. Men’s/women’s touring model, similar to No. 90, 2cm wider cantle plate, 1cm longer, large rivets, Rebour treatment, No. 2 clip
30 1963 Junior Boys     Nortal plastic
130 1970s Junior Boys 8.75″ x 6″ 13ozs. Leather top
134         Leather top, chrome frame, large rivets
145     12″ x 5″    
301 1931, 1970s   9.75″ x 7.75″ 2lbs. 13.75ozs. Heavyweight model, leather top, two rear coil springs, two front loop springs
303 1970s   10.25″ x 8″ 3lbs. 8.5ozs. Heavyweight model, leather top, two rear tall coil springs, two front loop springs
2000 1970s, 1979, 1981   10.75″ x 6″ 1lb. Rislan top, No. 2 clip
2001 1970s, 1979, 1981   10.75″ x 6″ 1lb. 1.25ozs. Rislan top, black or natural leather, No. 2 clip
2002 1970s, 1979, 1981   10.75″ x 6″ 1lb. 1.25ozs. Rislan top, black or natural leather, latex foam padding
2003 1970s, 1979, 1981   10.75″ x 6″ 1lb. 3.75ozs. Rislan top, natural/suede/plaid leather, all chrome
2004 1970s, 1979, 1981   10.6″ x 5.9″ 1lb. 7ozs./1lb. 1.75ozs. “La Randonneuse”, steel/titanium frame, Rislan top, black or natural leather, latex foam padding, steel or titanium clip, No. 2 clip
PB   Professional     Duralumin frame
Norex 1963 Standard Sports 11.25″ x 6.375″ 1lb. 5ozs. Saddle bag loops, perforated sides
Franceix 1963 Standard Sports 11″ x 6.5″ 1lb. 4ozs. Saddle bag loops, tan leather
Tan-Sad 1963 Junior Baby     Child carrier, security strap, luminescent back, mattress seat, vinyl

Notes:

Sizes and weights of some models change slightly over catalog entries, generally getting narrower and lighter with time (e.g., Nos. 80, 90). Sizes and weights above are from their first available catalog entry.

 

Idéale Saddle Clip Guide:

No. 1: Original two wire clip

No. 2: Standard 38mm, two wire clip, chrome steel, reinforcing liner

No. 3: Special Competition model, micro-adjustable

No. 4: Same as No. 3, aluminum, for 90CR Duralumin saddle Idéale

 

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Catalogs and References:

1931 – Rexor, France; page 101, “Selles”

1955 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; specialty distribution, “Idéale : The Continent’s Finest Saddle”

1963 – Ron Kitching, England; four pages; catalog distribution

1969 – Idéale, France; one page; specialty distribution

1970 – Ron Kitching, England; three pages; catalog distribution

1970s – Idéale, France; four pages; catalog distribution

1974 – Gene Portuesi’s CycloPedia, United States; eleventh edition; page 39

1979 – Ron Kitching, England; two pages; catalog distribution

1981 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; catalog distribution

1981 – Bikecology, United States; catalog distribution; page 15, “Seats”

 

Special Thanks:

Robert Broderick

Dale Brown at Classic Rendezvous

Mark Bulgier

Satoru Masuda

Chuck Schmidt at Velo-Retro

10 Comments Add yours

  1. Hi All,

    Hope you find the Idéale model guide useful.

    Feel free to forward any information that is missing or needing correction.

    Thanks in advance for your help!

    Cheers,
    Eric

  2. Hi Eric!!

    Nice pics of my bikes here!!
    My 1958 Goeland randonneur is ready to run! would you like pics!?
    All the best! and congratulations for the nice site!

    Stan

  3. John Barry says:

    Good day. I just received shipment of a bicycle equipped with a model 43 Ideale saddle. I am not certain of the formatting you are using on the page, so it is difficult for me to tell where the description of the Model 42 ends, and the 43 begins, but it appears that either there is no description of the Model 43, or the description doesn’t match the saddle that I have. I would be happy to provide you with pictures of the saddle – which is in quite good condition considering it seems to date from the 1950’s (my guess based on the vintage of the bicycle it is on). It also seems you don’t have a weight for the model 43. I could provide this for you also if you are interested.

    Thank you, for the lovely web site, and for your attention.

    John Barry

  4. Hello John,

    Thank you for your interest in Ebykr.

    Yes, please do provide pictures and any other relevant data on your Ideale 43. Feel free to send them to “ericinsf” “at” “excite” “dot” “com”.

    We would be happy to update our records to reflect your contributions.

    Regards,
    Eric

  5. Leonardo says:

    hello – do you think that this one on ebay is an original ideale or some kind of ‘clone’? It is said to be a 75, but it doesn’t correspond to your description…

    http://cgi.ebay.it/IDEALE-75-Sattel-Brooks-Look-Leder-schwarz-Antik-Look_W0QQitemZ320155854340QQihZ011QQcategoryZ15529QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

    regards, and many thanks for your useful site

  6. EAnschutz says:

    Hi Leonardo,

    The saddle you point out appears to be authentic.

    It is also possible my database has gaps or errors.

    In what ways is the description here different from the auction listing?

    Cheers,
    Eric

  7. Nick March says:

    Great and useful site you have here. On the 43, there appear to be quite a few variants, the constant being the removable frame or “spring”. I have an ealy “incised” rather than stamped 43 with no drilling ot lateral holes. I date it late 40’s. Pictured on my site on the NOIB SC page (some pics show the bike with a battered old generic, but the 43 is easy enough to recognize).
    Best
    Nick

  8. Jay Dubiel says:

    Eric,
    Are you still adding updates to the info on the Ideale saddles? I have a good amount of missing information that can help make this more complete.

    Jay

  9. Steve Abrahamson says:

    Hello — I just purchased an Ideale 90 Speciale Competition TITANIUM. The saddle has “rodie main selon Rebour” imprinted on the leather top. It’s black leather with 6 copper rivets on the back and 3 on the front. Also, one of the rivet tops is missing — can you give me a good recomendation as to who can replace this rivet for me? Do you have any information on these saddles? I don’t see them listed on your site. Since I’ve only seen one other, I’m assuming that these were pretty rare. Thanks!

  10. Don McMahan says:

    I have an Ideale 145 saddle. Have been able to find no mention of this model anywhere. It is 12 inches in length and 5 inches wide if the framework was ever chromed all traces are gone, I rather think it was originally painted. The next time I have it off the bike I will put it on the scale.

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