|Model No.||Earliest References||Range||Size||Weight||Notes|
|2||1970s||Comfort||9.8″ x 6″||“Mixte Maxi-Mousse,” leather top, latex foam padding, two rear coil springs|
|3||1970s||Comfort||9.8″ x 6″||“Mixte Maxi-Mousse,” Skai/mattress top, latex foam padding, two rear coil springs|
|4||1970s||Comfort||9.75″ x 7.5″||1lb. 9ozs.||Men’s model, similar to Norex, leather top, zinc plated or silver enamel springs, two rear loop springs|
|5||1963||Standard Sports||11.125″ x 6.375″||1lb. 7ozs.||“Club 5,” saddle bag loops|
|6||1970s||Comfort||9″ x 7.5″||1lb. 9ozs.||Women’s model, similar to Norex, leather top, zinc plated or silver enamel springs, two rear loop springs|
|14||1970s||Comfort||9.75″ x 9″||2lbs.||“TB 14,” women’s model, English saddle leather, latex foam padding|
|22||1963, 1970s||Comfort||9″ x 9″||1lb. 10ozs.||Supple saddle, male or female, grey sides with maroon or blue top, luminescent back (AR)|
|27||1963||Junior Boys||9.5″ x 5″||1lbs. 3ozs.||Leather, racing model|
|28||1931, 1963||Junior Boys||8.25 x 6.75″||Mixte model, leather, two wire frame, two rear loop springs|
|29||1963||Junior Girls||Leather, two wire frame|
|30||1963||Junior Boys||8.75″ x 7″||1lb. 1.5ozs.||Leather, four wire frame|
|31||1963||Junior Girls||Leather, four wire frame|
|32||1941||Standard Sports||9.5″ x 7.5″||Mixte model, leather, two wire frame, four rear loop springs, saddle bag loops|
|38||1963||Standard Sports||10.5″ x 6″||1lb. 6.5ozs.||“Course 38,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|39||1970, 1970s||Standard Sports||10″ x 5.5″||1lb. 4.5ozs.||Cutaway nose, perforated sides, two wire frame, No. 2 clip|
|41||1963||Standard Sports||11.25″ x 6.5″||1lb. 7ozs.||“Sport 41,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|42||1963, 1970, 1970s||Standard Sports||11″ x 6″||1lb. 7.5ozs.||“Record 42,” saddle bag loops|
|43||Record||Removable wire spring, saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|44||1963||Standard Sports||11.25″ x 6.5″||1lb. 7ozs.||“Course 44,” saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|46||1963||Standard Sports||10.875″ x 5.625″||1lb. 10.5ozs.||“Special 46,” removable wire spring, saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|48||1955||Professional||10.75″ x 6″||1lb. 9ozs.||Hollow center, four copper nose rivets, large curved back, Duralumin frame|
|51||1955, 1963||Record||10″ x 6″||1lb. 10.5ozs.||Cyclocross nose, removable wire spring, reinforced clip, copper rivets, reinforced frame|
|51||1955, 1963||Professional||10″ x 6″||1lb. 12ozs.||Same as No. 51 Record, treated and waterproofed leather|
|52||1963||Record||11.25″ x 6″||1lb. 9.25ozs.||Copper rivets, removable wire spring, reinforced frame, reinforced clip|
|52||1963||Professional||11.25″ x 6″||1lb. 12ozs.||Same as No. 52 Record, treated and waterproofed leather|
|58||1955||Record||10″ x 6″||1lb. 5ozs.||Duralumin frame, cyclocross nose, reinforced clip, copper rivets|
|58||1955||Professional||10″ x 6″||1lb. 5ozs.||Same as No. 58 Record, treated and waterproofed leather|
|59||1955, 1963||Record||11.25″ x 6.25″||1lb. 5.5ozs.||Racing model, copper rivets, standard nose, Duralumin frame, perforated sides|
|59||1955, 1963||Professional||11.25″ x 6.25″||1lb. 6.25ozs.||Same as No. 59 Record, treated and waterproofed leather|
|64||Record||“Hawk nose,” relieved top|
|65||Record||“Hawk nose,” Duralumin frame, relieved top|
|75||1963||Standard Sports||10″ x 6.25″||1lb. 8ozs.||“Special 75,” saddle bag loops|
|76||1955||Cyclo Tourist||10″ x 6″||2lbs. 5ozs.||Touring model, natural leather, cyclocross nose, reinforced clip, two rear coil springs|
|77||1963||Cyclo Tourist||10″ x 6″||2lbs. 5ozs.||Cyclocross/hawk nose, natural leather, reinforced clip, two rear coil springs|
|80||1970, 1970s, 1979, 1981||Record||10.25″ x 5.75″||1lb. 8ozs.||“Saddle back” shape with campbered back plate and cutaway leather, extra quality top, two wire frame, No. 2 clip|
|80||1970, 1970s, 1979, 1981||Speciale||10.25″ x 5.75″||1lb. 8ozs.||Same as No. 80 Record, treated and waterproofed leather|
|80||1970||Criterium||10.25″ x 5.25″||1lb. 7ozs.||Same as No. 80 Speciale, short nose, copper rivets, cutaway “swallow” sides|
|88||1963, 1970s, 1981||Special Competition||10.5″ x 6″||Removable wire spring, copper rivets on cantle plate, non-slip (SC) or Nitor/Campagnolo (C) clip|
|89||1963||Special Competition||10.5″ x 6″||Same as No. 88, cutaway “swallow” sides|
|90A||1970, 1981||Special Competition||10.5″ x 5.75″||1lb. 9ozs.||Extra supple, waterproofed, oak bark tanned, copper rivets, two wire frame, No. 2 clip, “A” model|
|90CR||1970, 1981||Special Competition||10.5″ x 5.75″||1lb. 9ozs.||Same as No. 90A, Rebour treated, “CR” Rodee Main model,|
|90IR||1970, 1970s, 1981||Special Competition||10.5″ x 5.75″||1lb. 1.5ozs.||Same as No. 90CR, Duralumin frame|
|92||1970s, 1981||10.6″ x 6.7″/9″ x 6.7″||1lb. 7ozs.||Men’s/women’s touring model, similar to No. 90, 2cm wider cantle plate, 1cm longer, large rivets, Rebour treatment, No. 2 clip|
|30||1963||Junior Boys||Nortal plastic|
|130||1970s||Junior Boys||8.75″ x 6″||13ozs.||Leather top|
|134||Leather top, chrome frame, large rivets|
|145||12″ x 5″|
|301||1931, 1970s||9.75″ x 7.75″||2lbs. 13.75ozs.||Heavyweight model, leather top, two rear coil springs, two front loop springs|
|303||1970s||10.25″ x 8″||3lbs. 8.5ozs.||Heavyweight model, leather top, two rear tall coil springs, two front loop springs|
|2000||1970s, 1979, 1981||10.75″ x 6″||1lb.||Rislan top, No. 2 clip|
|2001||1970s, 1979, 1981||10.75″ x 6″||1lb. 1.25ozs.||Rislan top, black or natural leather, No. 2 clip|
|2002||1970s, 1979, 1981||10.75″ x 6″||1lb. 1.25ozs.||Rislan top, black or natural leather, latex foam padding|
|2003||1970s, 1979, 1981||10.75″ x 6″||1lb. 3.75ozs.||Rislan top, natural/suede/plaid leather, all chrome|
|2004||1970s, 1979, 1981||10.6″ x 5.9″||1lb. 7ozs./1lb. 1.75ozs.||“La Randonneuse”, steel/titanium frame, Rislan top, black or natural leather, latex foam padding, steel or titanium clip, No. 2 clip|
|Norex||1963||Standard Sports||11.25″ x 6.375″||1lb. 5ozs.||Saddle bag loops, perforated sides|
|Franceix||1963||Standard Sports||11″ x 6.5″||1lb. 4ozs.||Saddle bag loops, tan leather|
|Tan-Sad||1963||Junior Baby||Child carrier, security strap, luminescent back, mattress seat, vinyl|
Related Ebykr Article:
Idéale Saddles: Behind the Leather Curtain
Sizes and weights of some models change slightly over catalog entries, generally getting narrower and lighter with time (e.g., Nos. 80, 90). Sizes and weights above are from their first available catalog entry.
Idéale Saddle Clip Guide:
No. 1: Original two wire clip
No. 2: Standard 38mm, two wire clip, chrome steel, reinforcing liner
No. 3: Special Competition model, micro-adjustable
No. 4: Same as No. 3, aluminum, for 90CR Duralumin saddle Idéale
Catalogs and References:
1931 – Rexor, France; page 101, “Selles”
1955 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; specialty distribution, “Idéale : The Continent’s Finest Saddle”
1963 – Ron Kitching, England; four pages; catalog distribution
1969 – Idéale, France; one page; specialty distribution
1970 – Ron Kitching, England; three pages; catalog distribution
1970s – Idéale, France; four pages; catalog distribution
1974 – Gene Portuesi’s CycloPedia, United States; eleventh edition; page 39
1979 – Ron Kitching, England; two pages; catalog distribution
1981 – Ron Kitching, England; one page; catalog distribution
1981 – Bikecology, United States; catalog distribution; page 15, “Seats”
Dale Brown at Classic Rendezvous
Chuck Schmidt at Velo-Retro
12 Comments Add yours
I have an Ideale 145 saddle. Have been able to find no mention of this model anywhere. It is 12 inches in length and 5 inches wide if the framework was ever chromed all traces are gone, I rather think it was originally painted. The next time I have it off the bike I will put it on the scale.
Hello — I just purchased an Ideale 90 Speciale Competition TITANIUM. The saddle has “rodie main selon Rebour” imprinted on the leather top. It’s black leather with 6 copper rivets on the back and 3 on the front. Also, one of the rivet tops is missing — can you give me a good recomendation as to who can replace this rivet for me? Do you have any information on these saddles? I don’t see them listed on your site. Since I’ve only seen one other, I’m assuming that these were pretty rare. Thanks!
Are you still adding updates to the info on the Ideale saddles? I have a good amount of missing information that can help make this more complete.
Great and useful site you have here. On the 43, there appear to be quite a few variants, the constant being the removable frame or “spring”. I have an ealy “incised” rather than stamped 43 with no drilling ot lateral holes. I date it late 40’s. Pictured on my site on the NOIB SC page (some pics show the bike with a battered old generic, but the 43 is easy enough to recognize).
The saddle you point out appears to be authentic.
It is also possible my database has gaps or errors.
In what ways is the description here different from the auction listing?
hello – do you think that this one on ebay is an original ideale or some kind of ‘clone’? It is said to be a 75, but it doesn’t correspond to your description…
regards, and many thanks for your useful site
Thank you for your interest in Ebykr.
Yes, please do provide pictures and any other relevant data on your Ideale 43. Feel free to send them to “ericinsf” “at” “excite” “dot” “com”.
We would be happy to update our records to reflect your contributions.
Good day. I just received shipment of a bicycle equipped with a model 43 Ideale saddle. I am not certain of the formatting you are using on the page, so it is difficult for me to tell where the description of the Model 42 ends, and the 43 begins, but it appears that either there is no description of the Model 43, or the description doesn’t match the saddle that I have. I would be happy to provide you with pictures of the saddle – which is in quite good condition considering it seems to date from the 1950’s (my guess based on the vintage of the bicycle it is on). It also seems you don’t have a weight for the model 43. I could provide this for you also if you are interested.
Thank you, for the lovely web site, and for your attention.
Nice pics of my bikes here!!
My 1958 Goeland randonneur is ready to run! would you like pics!?
All the best! and congratulations for the nice site!
Hope you find the IdÃ©ale model guide useful.
Feel free to forward any information that is missing or needing correction.
Thanks in advance for your help!